Porn-Again Christians: an e-book by Mark Driscoll… your thoughts??

Mark Driscoll at Resurgence Blog is posting chapter by chapter a new e-book entitled Porn-Again Christian: a frank discussion about pornography & masturbation. Chapter 1 is A Tall Glass of Toilet Water.  Driscoll, appropriately so is warning that he targets the guys.

…the effeminate nature of pastors and churches causes many masculine men to feel unwelcome in what they perceive as an organization solely for women, children, and weaker men.

Are we ready for this type of frankness?  Is this appropriate, or over the top?  Your thoughts, please.

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Writer, Speaker, and Musician. Rich Kirkpatrick was recently rated #13 of the “Top 75 Religion Bloggers” by Newsmax.com, having also received recognition by Worship Leader Magazine as “Editor’s Choice” for the “Best of the Best” of blogs in 2011, 2014, 2015 and 2016.

56 comments

  1. We’re not just ready…we are overdue. I’m sick of people side stepping certain subjects at church like a bunch of pansies. It’s here, it’s happening…let’s talk about it. Bring it!

  2. We’re not just ready…we are overdue. I’m sick of people side stepping certain subjects at church like a bunch of pansies. It’s here, it’s happening…let’s talk about it. Bring it!

  3. We’re not just ready…we are overdue. I’m sick of people side stepping certain subjects at church like a bunch of pansies. It’s here, it’s happening…let’s talk about it. Bring it!

  4. We’re not just ready…we are overdue. I’m sick of people side stepping certain subjects at church like a bunch of pansies. It’s here, it’s happening…let’s talk about it. Bring it!

  5. It is a new day and age when the flocks cry out for desperation in being saved from themselves.
    May God be merciful and save us all.

  6. It is a new day and age when the flocks cry out for desperation in being saved from themselves.
    May God be merciful and save us all.

  7. It is a new day and age when the flocks cry out for desperation in being saved from themselves.
    May God be merciful and save us all.

  8. It is a new day and age when the flocks cry out for desperation in being saved from themselves.
    May God be merciful and save us all.

  9. I think a lot of modern people arent ready for it yet, but those with post modern mindsets will say its ong overdue. There is a great book that came out last year called “Oh Sh*t! Its Jesus” by Steve Hughes. Its a really good book. The jist of it is that if Jesus showed up and walked into most Churches today he would be very dissapointed.I will also say that without reading the book its hard to answer, Im not particularly fond of Mark Driscoll but there is no doubt that many Christians struggle with porn. I think the guys at xxxchurch are doing a great job aiding those who are. We will see what comes from this I suppose.

  10. I think a lot of modern people arent ready for it yet, but those with post modern mindsets will say its ong overdue. There is a great book that came out last year called “Oh Sh*t! Its Jesus” by Steve Hughes. Its a really good book. The jist of it is that if Jesus showed up and walked into most Churches today he would be very dissapointed.I will also say that without reading the book its hard to answer, Im not particularly fond of Mark Driscoll but there is no doubt that many Christians struggle with porn. I think the guys at xxxchurch are doing a great job aiding those who are. We will see what comes from this I suppose.

  11. I think a lot of modern people arent ready for it yet, but those with post modern mindsets will say its ong overdue. There is a great book that came out last year called “Oh Sh*t! Its Jesus” by Steve Hughes. Its a really good book. The jist of it is that if Jesus showed up and walked into most Churches today he would be very dissapointed.I will also say that without reading the book its hard to answer, Im not particularly fond of Mark Driscoll but there is no doubt that many Christians struggle with porn. I think the guys at xxxchurch are doing a great job aiding those who are. We will see what comes from this I suppose.

  12. I think a lot of modern people arent ready for it yet, but those with post modern mindsets will say its ong overdue. There is a great book that came out last year called “Oh Sh*t! Its Jesus” by Steve Hughes. Its a really good book. The jist of it is that if Jesus showed up and walked into most Churches today he would be very dissapointed.I will also say that without reading the book its hard to answer, Im not particularly fond of Mark Driscoll but there is no doubt that many Christians struggle with porn. I think the guys at xxxchurch are doing a great job aiding those who are. We will see what comes from this I suppose.

  13. Agree with Matt. Not all churches avoid this jazz, but pretending that it isn’t an issue worth talking about is just plain naive. How do we stay passionate about the subject but approach it with gentleness?

  14. Agree with Matt. Not all churches avoid this jazz, but pretending that it isn’t an issue worth talking about is just plain naive. How do we stay passionate about the subject but approach it with gentleness?

  15. Agree with Matt. Not all churches avoid this jazz, but pretending that it isn’t an issue worth talking about is just plain naive. How do we stay passionate about the subject but approach it with gentleness?

  16. Agree with Matt. Not all churches avoid this jazz, but pretending that it isn’t an issue worth talking about is just plain naive. How do we stay passionate about the subject but approach it with gentleness?

  17. We’ve had this discussion over at the worship community specifically about leading worship. I think the general consensus is that we have and still do tend to demasculinize worship settings…most of the times it’s unintentional.
    I don’t know. I guess if we could find a very specific, scripture oriented definition of what worship SHOULD look like, we might be able to compare our settings to it and figure out if we’re unbalanced either way?

    Interesting.

  18. We’ve had this discussion over at the worship community specifically about leading worship. I think the general consensus is that we have and still do tend to demasculinize worship settings…most of the times it’s unintentional.
    I don’t know. I guess if we could find a very specific, scripture oriented definition of what worship SHOULD look like, we might be able to compare our settings to it and figure out if we’re unbalanced either way?

    Interesting.

  19. We’ve had this discussion over at the worship community specifically about leading worship. I think the general consensus is that we have and still do tend to demasculinize worship settings…most of the times it’s unintentional.
    I don’t know. I guess if we could find a very specific, scripture oriented definition of what worship SHOULD look like, we might be able to compare our settings to it and figure out if we’re unbalanced either way?

    Interesting.

  20. We’ve had this discussion over at the worship community specifically about leading worship. I think the general consensus is that we have and still do tend to demasculinize worship settings…most of the times it’s unintentional.
    I don’t know. I guess if we could find a very specific, scripture oriented definition of what worship SHOULD look like, we might be able to compare our settings to it and figure out if we’re unbalanced either way?

    Interesting.

  21. Great first chapter, looking forward to the next. I’m sure many churches aren’t ready for this proving they also aren’t ready to handle issues that real people are facing and living out. If you aren’t ready to hear God’s truth in the sickness of sin, you don’t have any place to start dealing with the sin that is entering your church.

  22. Great first chapter, looking forward to the next. I’m sure many churches aren’t ready for this proving they also aren’t ready to handle issues that real people are facing and living out. If you aren’t ready to hear God’s truth in the sickness of sin, you don’t have any place to start dealing with the sin that is entering your church.

  23. Great first chapter, looking forward to the next. I’m sure many churches aren’t ready for this proving they also aren’t ready to handle issues that real people are facing and living out. If you aren’t ready to hear God’s truth in the sickness of sin, you don’t have any place to start dealing with the sin that is entering your church.

  24. Great first chapter, looking forward to the next. I’m sure many churches aren’t ready for this proving they also aren’t ready to handle issues that real people are facing and living out. If you aren’t ready to hear God’s truth in the sickness of sin, you don’t have any place to start dealing with the sin that is entering your church.

  25. I’m completely ready for this frankness. Truth be told, we do sissify our church services. There is a huge need for churches to simply tell the truth. Porn isn’t a bad word. It needs to be said. Jesus called a few thousand people adulterers when he spoke of lust. We need that passion and truth in our churches today.

  26. I’m completely ready for this frankness. Truth be told, we do sissify our church services. There is a huge need for churches to simply tell the truth. Porn isn’t a bad word. It needs to be said. Jesus called a few thousand people adulterers when he spoke of lust. We need that passion and truth in our churches today.

  27. I’m completely ready for this frankness. Truth be told, we do sissify our church services. There is a huge need for churches to simply tell the truth. Porn isn’t a bad word. It needs to be said. Jesus called a few thousand people adulterers when he spoke of lust. We need that passion and truth in our churches today.

  28. I’m completely ready for this frankness. Truth be told, we do sissify our church services. There is a huge need for churches to simply tell the truth. Porn isn’t a bad word. It needs to be said. Jesus called a few thousand people adulterers when he spoke of lust. We need that passion and truth in our churches today.

  29. If this is over the top or people aren’t ready for it….that would be sad.

  30. If this is over the top or people aren’t ready for it….that would be sad.

  31. If this is over the top or people aren’t ready for it….that would be sad.

  32. If this is over the top or people aren’t ready for it….that would be sad.

  33. Church needs to be centered on and preached to guys.
    1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man.

    I am waiting for pastors to start kicking chests in. I will do that for my flock. I will not appeal to the women but speak to men.

    When husband and wife do wrong, God doesn’t look for the woman or the couple, he goes after the man. We are responsible for them. We men will be held accountable for ourselves and for them. Preach to us.

  34. Church needs to be centered on and preached to guys.
    1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man.

    I am waiting for pastors to start kicking chests in. I will do that for my flock. I will not appeal to the women but speak to men.

    When husband and wife do wrong, God doesn’t look for the woman or the couple, he goes after the man. We are responsible for them. We men will be held accountable for ourselves and for them. Preach to us.

  35. Church needs to be centered on and preached to guys.
    1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man.

    I am waiting for pastors to start kicking chests in. I will do that for my flock. I will not appeal to the women but speak to men.

    When husband and wife do wrong, God doesn’t look for the woman or the couple, he goes after the man. We are responsible for them. We men will be held accountable for ourselves and for them. Preach to us.

  36. Church needs to be centered on and preached to guys.
    1 Corinthians 11:7 For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man.

    I am waiting for pastors to start kicking chests in. I will do that for my flock. I will not appeal to the women but speak to men.

    When husband and wife do wrong, God doesn’t look for the woman or the couple, he goes after the man. We are responsible for them. We men will be held accountable for ourselves and for them. Preach to us.

  37. I’m friends with Craig Gross from xxx church. I’m not familiar with Driscoll. I do like what the guys are XXX guys are doing . It’s un-orthadox, banging on the gates of hell kind of ministry. They have all just recently moved to Las Vegas and plan to start a church on the strip. Not a typical church, but more like a rescue station. The goal is to reach the mass amounts of men that come through Vegas for all the conventions in a year.
    There is a book out called “Why men hate going to church by David Murrow. We have a copy lying around I haven’t read it yet.

    Many of the things worship and the church ask of men goes against “man culture” generally speaking. For example, openess, vulnerability, surrender. Even many of our worships songs are “love song” in nature.

    Is this wrong for us to be about these things? I was around through all the “Promise Keeper” ministries and that movement didn’t really resonate with me. Everything I saw come out of that in regards to Men’s Ministry was sports, car shows and golf tournaments.

    In my church it’s almost a plague in regards to how many wives are coming without their husbands…so what are we missing?

  38. I’m friends with Craig Gross from xxx church. I’m not familiar with Driscoll. I do like what the guys are XXX guys are doing . It’s un-orthadox, banging on the gates of hell kind of ministry. They have all just recently moved to Las Vegas and plan to start a church on the strip. Not a typical church, but more like a rescue station. The goal is to reach the mass amounts of men that come through Vegas for all the conventions in a year.
    There is a book out called “Why men hate going to church by David Murrow. We have a copy lying around I haven’t read it yet.

    Many of the things worship and the church ask of men goes against “man culture” generally speaking. For example, openess, vulnerability, surrender. Even many of our worships songs are “love song” in nature.

    Is this wrong for us to be about these things? I was around through all the “Promise Keeper” ministries and that movement didn’t really resonate with me. Everything I saw come out of that in regards to Men’s Ministry was sports, car shows and golf tournaments.

    In my church it’s almost a plague in regards to how many wives are coming without their husbands…so what are we missing?

  39. I’m friends with Craig Gross from xxx church. I’m not familiar with Driscoll. I do like what the guys are XXX guys are doing . It’s un-orthadox, banging on the gates of hell kind of ministry. They have all just recently moved to Las Vegas and plan to start a church on the strip. Not a typical church, but more like a rescue station. The goal is to reach the mass amounts of men that come through Vegas for all the conventions in a year.
    There is a book out called “Why men hate going to church by David Murrow. We have a copy lying around I haven’t read it yet.

    Many of the things worship and the church ask of men goes against “man culture” generally speaking. For example, openess, vulnerability, surrender. Even many of our worships songs are “love song” in nature.

    Is this wrong for us to be about these things? I was around through all the “Promise Keeper” ministries and that movement didn’t really resonate with me. Everything I saw come out of that in regards to Men’s Ministry was sports, car shows and golf tournaments.

    In my church it’s almost a plague in regards to how many wives are coming without their husbands…so what are we missing?

  40. I’m friends with Craig Gross from xxx church. I’m not familiar with Driscoll. I do like what the guys are XXX guys are doing . It’s un-orthadox, banging on the gates of hell kind of ministry. They have all just recently moved to Las Vegas and plan to start a church on the strip. Not a typical church, but more like a rescue station. The goal is to reach the mass amounts of men that come through Vegas for all the conventions in a year.
    There is a book out called “Why men hate going to church by David Murrow. We have a copy lying around I haven’t read it yet.

    Many of the things worship and the church ask of men goes against “man culture” generally speaking. For example, openess, vulnerability, surrender. Even many of our worships songs are “love song” in nature.

    Is this wrong for us to be about these things? I was around through all the “Promise Keeper” ministries and that movement didn’t really resonate with me. Everything I saw come out of that in regards to Men’s Ministry was sports, car shows and golf tournaments.

    In my church it’s almost a plague in regards to how many wives are coming without their husbands…so what are we missing?

  41. I’m through with the whole, “don’t rock the boat” preaching style that doesn’t slap people in the back of the head. This hit’s people where it hurts a little extra, and rather than shirking it off as the ramblings of one man, pastors should own up to preaching the parts of the bible that they perhaps didn’t want canonized in scripture because it’s too controversial.
    Trust me, if God didn’t think it was important, he wouldn’t have canonized it in scripture. By not preaching the whole bible, pastors are subtly cutting the eschatological pie in a way that confuses and (dare I say it? – Dare Dare!!) causes some Christians to stumble in these areas. And Jesus said “woe unto you…” for causing people to stumble.

  42. I’m through with the whole, “don’t rock the boat” preaching style that doesn’t slap people in the back of the head. This hit’s people where it hurts a little extra, and rather than shirking it off as the ramblings of one man, pastors should own up to preaching the parts of the bible that they perhaps didn’t want canonized in scripture because it’s too controversial.
    Trust me, if God didn’t think it was important, he wouldn’t have canonized it in scripture. By not preaching the whole bible, pastors are subtly cutting the eschatological pie in a way that confuses and (dare I say it? – Dare Dare!!) causes some Christians to stumble in these areas. And Jesus said “woe unto you…” for causing people to stumble.

  43. I’m through with the whole, “don’t rock the boat” preaching style that doesn’t slap people in the back of the head. This hit’s people where it hurts a little extra, and rather than shirking it off as the ramblings of one man, pastors should own up to preaching the parts of the bible that they perhaps didn’t want canonized in scripture because it’s too controversial.
    Trust me, if God didn’t think it was important, he wouldn’t have canonized it in scripture. By not preaching the whole bible, pastors are subtly cutting the eschatological pie in a way that confuses and (dare I say it? – Dare Dare!!) causes some Christians to stumble in these areas. And Jesus said “woe unto you…” for causing people to stumble.

  44. I’m through with the whole, “don’t rock the boat” preaching style that doesn’t slap people in the back of the head. This hit’s people where it hurts a little extra, and rather than shirking it off as the ramblings of one man, pastors should own up to preaching the parts of the bible that they perhaps didn’t want canonized in scripture because it’s too controversial.
    Trust me, if God didn’t think it was important, he wouldn’t have canonized it in scripture. By not preaching the whole bible, pastors are subtly cutting the eschatological pie in a way that confuses and (dare I say it? – Dare Dare!!) causes some Christians to stumble in these areas. And Jesus said “woe unto you…” for causing people to stumble.

  45. From a woman’s perspective and as a mother and wife, I believe this is a topic that is avoided because a lot of Pastor’s or Leaders would have to stop being cowards and own up to their own weakness in this area. It’s a struggle that both men and women face and yet for some reason it’s hidden and causes shame and embarrassment which permeates into the lives of their children and the secrets continue.
    When people say; I struggle with “gossip” you usually hear “me too” or I struggle with “anger” and you hear it again… or I struggle with _____________ fill in the blank and people will usually identify with you with the same or similar struggle. But you won’t hear people talking about their struggle with pornography or masturbation because they FEAR nobody would relate or identify with them or better yet share the same honesty and humility.

    It’s because there is no openness in this area and we aren’t talking about it… that the church suffers.

    One thing that I can say is that parents need to be the ones to start making changes and talk to their kids about the topic of masturbation and pornography. It’s almost like if they don’t talk about it… it doesn’t exist and their kids have cable and unfiltered internet in their rooms and live a secret life… apart from their parents… and where does it carry over? It carries over into their future relationships and into their marriages… only to be repeated again and again and the freedom that Christ wanted us to have is never fully attained because someone was a coward.

    I have attended many ministry conferences over the years and I’ve sat through two seminars by Craig Gross and xxxchurch and they don’t tip toe around this subject. I have also been to their site http://www.xxxchurch.com and actually was given permission by my husband 4 years ago to put the filter on his computer for accountability. You see we’ve been round and round this mountain of discovery and shock and hurt and the battle to forgive. But the key is found in the “talking about it” and bringing it out of the darkness and into the light.

    P.s. I love what JB wrote in his last paragraph and YES dare to say it!!!

  46. From a woman’s perspective and as a mother and wife, I believe this is a topic that is avoided because a lot of Pastor’s or Leaders would have to stop being cowards and own up to their own weakness in this area. It’s a struggle that both men and women face and yet for some reason it’s hidden and causes shame and embarrassment which permeates into the lives of their children and the secrets continue.
    When people say; I struggle with “gossip” you usually hear “me too” or I struggle with “anger” and you hear it again… or I struggle with _____________ fill in the blank and people will usually identify with you with the same or similar struggle. But you won’t hear people talking about their struggle with pornography or masturbation because they FEAR nobody would relate or identify with them or better yet share the same honesty and humility.

    It’s because there is no openness in this area and we aren’t talking about it… that the church suffers.

    One thing that I can say is that parents need to be the ones to start making changes and talk to their kids about the topic of masturbation and pornography. It’s almost like if they don’t talk about it… it doesn’t exist and their kids have cable and unfiltered internet in their rooms and live a secret life… apart from their parents… and where does it carry over? It carries over into their future relationships and into their marriages… only to be repeated again and again and the freedom that Christ wanted us to have is never fully attained because someone was a coward.

    I have attended many ministry conferences over the years and I’ve sat through two seminars by Craig Gross and xxxchurch and they don’t tip toe around this subject. I have also been to their site http://www.xxxchurch.com and actually was given permission by my husband 4 years ago to put the filter on his computer for accountability. You see we’ve been round and round this mountain of discovery and shock and hurt and the battle to forgive. But the key is found in the “talking about it” and bringing it out of the darkness and into the light.

    P.s. I love what JB wrote in his last paragraph and YES dare to say it!!!

  47. From a woman’s perspective and as a mother and wife, I believe this is a topic that is avoided because a lot of Pastor’s or Leaders would have to stop being cowards and own up to their own weakness in this area. It’s a struggle that both men and women face and yet for some reason it’s hidden and causes shame and embarrassment which permeates into the lives of their children and the secrets continue.
    When people say; I struggle with “gossip” you usually hear “me too” or I struggle with “anger” and you hear it again… or I struggle with _____________ fill in the blank and people will usually identify with you with the same or similar struggle. But you won’t hear people talking about their struggle with pornography or masturbation because they FEAR nobody would relate or identify with them or better yet share the same honesty and humility.

    It’s because there is no openness in this area and we aren’t talking about it… that the church suffers.

    One thing that I can say is that parents need to be the ones to start making changes and talk to their kids about the topic of masturbation and pornography. It’s almost like if they don’t talk about it… it doesn’t exist and their kids have cable and unfiltered internet in their rooms and live a secret life… apart from their parents… and where does it carry over? It carries over into their future relationships and into their marriages… only to be repeated again and again and the freedom that Christ wanted us to have is never fully attained because someone was a coward.

    I have attended many ministry conferences over the years and I’ve sat through two seminars by Craig Gross and xxxchurch and they don’t tip toe around this subject. I have also been to their site http://www.xxxchurch.com and actually was given permission by my husband 4 years ago to put the filter on his computer for accountability. You see we’ve been round and round this mountain of discovery and shock and hurt and the battle to forgive. But the key is found in the “talking about it” and bringing it out of the darkness and into the light.

    P.s. I love what JB wrote in his last paragraph and YES dare to say it!!!

  48. From a woman’s perspective and as a mother and wife, I believe this is a topic that is avoided because a lot of Pastor’s or Leaders would have to stop being cowards and own up to their own weakness in this area. It’s a struggle that both men and women face and yet for some reason it’s hidden and causes shame and embarrassment which permeates into the lives of their children and the secrets continue.
    When people say; I struggle with “gossip” you usually hear “me too” or I struggle with “anger” and you hear it again… or I struggle with _____________ fill in the blank and people will usually identify with you with the same or similar struggle. But you won’t hear people talking about their struggle with pornography or masturbation because they FEAR nobody would relate or identify with them or better yet share the same honesty and humility.

    It’s because there is no openness in this area and we aren’t talking about it… that the church suffers.

    One thing that I can say is that parents need to be the ones to start making changes and talk to their kids about the topic of masturbation and pornography. It’s almost like if they don’t talk about it… it doesn’t exist and their kids have cable and unfiltered internet in their rooms and live a secret life… apart from their parents… and where does it carry over? It carries over into their future relationships and into their marriages… only to be repeated again and again and the freedom that Christ wanted us to have is never fully attained because someone was a coward.

    I have attended many ministry conferences over the years and I’ve sat through two seminars by Craig Gross and xxxchurch and they don’t tip toe around this subject. I have also been to their site http://www.xxxchurch.com and actually was given permission by my husband 4 years ago to put the filter on his computer for accountability. You see we’ve been round and round this mountain of discovery and shock and hurt and the battle to forgive. But the key is found in the “talking about it” and bringing it out of the darkness and into the light.

    P.s. I love what JB wrote in his last paragraph and YES dare to say it!!!

  49. Wow … well, I’m going to be the voice of dissent here. I don’t think pastors are effeminate and speaking only to women.
    I think it could be that many men are too proud and stubborn to hear what pastors have to say. Most men (most, but not all) refuse to do the work of laying down their lives and picking up the cross.

    Think about it in this way … what Jesus asks for is death to ourselves and life in Him. That means putting aside who we want to be which is very difficult for men in our culture. It’s very difficult for anyone in our “I just gotta be me” culture. True freedom and true life is not found in a preaching style, or a church style … it’s found in the person of Jesus Christ … period.

    Perhaps that would be a better focus.

  50. Wow … well, I’m going to be the voice of dissent here. I don’t think pastors are effeminate and speaking only to women.
    I think it could be that many men are too proud and stubborn to hear what pastors have to say. Most men (most, but not all) refuse to do the work of laying down their lives and picking up the cross.

    Think about it in this way … what Jesus asks for is death to ourselves and life in Him. That means putting aside who we want to be which is very difficult for men in our culture. It’s very difficult for anyone in our “I just gotta be me” culture. True freedom and true life is not found in a preaching style, or a church style … it’s found in the person of Jesus Christ … period.

    Perhaps that would be a better focus.

  51. Wow … well, I’m going to be the voice of dissent here. I don’t think pastors are effeminate and speaking only to women.
    I think it could be that many men are too proud and stubborn to hear what pastors have to say. Most men (most, but not all) refuse to do the work of laying down their lives and picking up the cross.

    Think about it in this way … what Jesus asks for is death to ourselves and life in Him. That means putting aside who we want to be which is very difficult for men in our culture. It’s very difficult for anyone in our “I just gotta be me” culture. True freedom and true life is not found in a preaching style, or a church style … it’s found in the person of Jesus Christ … period.

    Perhaps that would be a better focus.

  52. Wow … well, I’m going to be the voice of dissent here. I don’t think pastors are effeminate and speaking only to women.
    I think it could be that many men are too proud and stubborn to hear what pastors have to say. Most men (most, but not all) refuse to do the work of laying down their lives and picking up the cross.

    Think about it in this way … what Jesus asks for is death to ourselves and life in Him. That means putting aside who we want to be which is very difficult for men in our culture. It’s very difficult for anyone in our “I just gotta be me” culture. True freedom and true life is not found in a preaching style, or a church style … it’s found in the person of Jesus Christ … period.

    Perhaps that would be a better focus.

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